Oppo assistance requested...weird noise?

"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike) 10/05/2020 at 22:08 • Filed to: None

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Hi all,

A month or two back, when in for an oil change, my mechanic noticed the outer CV joint boot on the left front wheel was torn on my Accent. He said there was still grease in it, so he thought if he took it apart, cleaned it up, re-greased it and put on a new boot, it would be good. I THINK he is right....however...

I’m hearing an odd clunk/click (sometimes it repeats, i.e. ‘clunk’ ‘clunk’ ‘clunk’, but I can’t tell if it does that at a regular rhythm or not) when I accelerate from a stop from the front-left suspension. It doesn’t usually happen in a straight line and seems to mostly happen if I am accelerating while turning somewhat hard, so, for example, starting off from a stop sign. It’s most noticeable if accelerating while turning from a stop uphill.

It does repeat sometime, almost as if it’s happening with the turning of the axle/wheel, but it only seems to last for a few seconds, so I can’t tell if it’s actually coming from the axle/CV/wheel or not for sure. I don’t really hear it at any other time, like when I’m driving. Could the CV he repaired be going on the outer part he cleaned up, re-booted and re-greased...or could the inner CV for that axle have failed...?

Thing is, I’ve been taught that if a CV is going, you turn tight circles either left or right at almost full lock and if the CV is going, you’re pretty much guaranteed to hear noise....except, when I do that, I don’t hear the sound I am describing above at all....I seem to ONLY hear it with the ‘accelerating when turning left or right from a stop, especially uphill’ thing. Mind you, I haven’t tried turning tight circles in REVERSE to see if I hear the sound, but I reverse up the entire length of my 70 meter long driveway every day when I get home, and I don’t hear it then...?

I can’t really remember if it seems to happen more when turning right or left, to be sure, but I THINK it seems to happen more when turning right...? I can’t remember though....

Any ideas what the heck this could be? A worn ball joint or bushing maybe? Strut-top bolts somehow more loose than they should be...?

Thanks!

MM54 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:21

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First thought would be the CV . If it’s when the joint is loaded (aka accelerating) and actually Doing Its Thing (wheel is turned) I’d look there first. If not, I’m not sure. Maybe wheel bearing is developing a little play and knocking back the brake pads?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:22

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If it’s repetitive at times? (Tik-tik-tik...) It’s almost always a rotating assembly.

I have terrible history with CV joints... usually when the boot has gone?  The internal damage is done already.

sony1492 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:24

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Aside from the cv id figure strut noises or swaybar/ endlinks

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > MM54 10/05/2020 at 22:25

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Pretty sure I had that wheel bearing replaced earlier this year in like February, if memory serves, so I wouldn’t think it would be dead yet...?

I’ll have to get my mechanic to check it out. Now that the rust is repaired on Humdrum, I’m thinking I’m still going to keep her for the time being...going to get the place I get my undercoatings done to LOAD up the inside of the rear quarter panels in the hope the undercoating will smother the metal and keep more rust at bay for at least awhile...I’ll pay them extra if I have to, as I do get ‘an undercoating’ from them ever year, but if I can pay them a little extra to REALLY throw the stuff on there, I’ll do it...$100 here is better than another bunch of money later...

BeaterGT > sony1492 10/05/2020 at 22:29

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Yea, I’d check end links.

Tekamul > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:30

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That’s the siren song of a CV joint.  Clicking when turning under acceleration or deceleration.  

Jb boin > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:32

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If there is play somewhere between the wheel and the transmission it will do something similar : when starting or the diff is working or wheel hopping, the problematic part will move around and act a bit like an impact wrench, had this kind of thing when the propshaft on my A4 was having rotational play between both of it’s parts.

If possible, try to put the car on jackstand and check if there is play in the wheels.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:38

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In my experience, once a boot is torn and goes unnoticed for bit then that CV is inevitably toast. However, I managed to run a couple on the VW until they sounded like a drum and bass track . By that time you could grab the shaft and lift the joint in every direction by a few millimetres...but they still worked!!

notsomethingstructural > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 22:44

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My G35 was doing this and it was a ball joint. 

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 23:10

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For the axles, replacing the axles with new ones normally isn’t much more expensive than having them just replace the boot due to the extra labor of dissembling the axles. It may not be the case here, but if it is, I’d just go ahead and get the axles replaced and see if the noise goes away. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/05/2020 at 23:58

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Turning right could cause it, as weight would shift to the left side. Can you reach the cvs and give them a good wiggle to feel for play?

ot jack up and feel if the whole tire wiggles?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever 10/06/2020 at 05:30

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It’s only coming from the left side, so I think it’s coming from the one he’d already re- greased and put back together a few months ago... :(

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 10/06/2020 at 05:32

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He thought w e’d caught it just in time as he said most of the grease was still in it, I’m actually wondering if the part that’s gone is the INNER joint of the same CV...(he’d repaired the outer joint).

I’ll try the reverse-full-lock-turn thing tonight and see if I can hear it, but the weird part is I hear nothing on a forward-full-lock constant turn, which you’d think would click constantly if it was a CV?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > BeaterGT 10/06/2020 at 05:32

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Yeah, it was something like this that I was wondering...

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/06/2020 at 05:35

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Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering...sucks as that means I’ll have paid him to diassemble, clean and re- grease a few months back and now I’ll be paying to replace it... :/

As for the ticking, I’ve never heard it for long enough, whatever I do, to be able to tell if it’s exactly in time with the wheel rotation (i.e. a steady tick tick tick) . I thought there was a chance that as I accelerated I was maybe loading up some part of the suspension just enough that it was on the cusp of making the noise and that it then made it a few times over (if that makes sense...?)

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 10/06/2020 at 05:36

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Not easily....I’ll see if I have any time this evening though...it only seems to be coming from the front-left somewhere, but I am PRETTY SURE I’ve heard it from the front left both when turning right AND left....I’ll try and see for sure today, leaving for work in a few!

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Tekamul 10/06/2020 at 05:37

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Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking....but every CV I’ve had go I could immediately tell by driving in tight, full-lock circles to the right or left, but doing that right now doesn’t make the sound at all, only as I accelerate into it?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > notsomethingstructural 10/06/2020 at 05:37

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Yeah, I’m thinking it might be a ball joint or some link or such...

BeaterGT > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/06/2020 at 05:54

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Good luck! Can try pushing down/loading each corner of the car to reproduce it.  Or if you know of a speed bump, those will usually make an end link clunk.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/06/2020 at 08:29

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I can't hear my dodgy knee...but I sure can feel it. Cars are often the same. Sometimes you have to get in there and feel it.

Thisismydisplayname > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/06/2020 at 08:59

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Sounds like ball joint or sway bar end link.  If the CV joint still has grease in it, might as well just clean it and re boot it.  

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 10/06/2020 at 11:13

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The thing is finding a time and a place to do it. I can use the spare tire jack, but our driveway is a slight slope and the side road we live on is very soft gravel/dirt, so it’s not easy for me to find a place to lift it check for myself :(

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Thisismydisplayname 10/06/2020 at 11:16

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Yeah, it could be a CV joint, but it’s not very...easily repeatable, I guess?

I’ve had a CV joint go for 5 years ago on this car on the same side, and when that went, if I just did a tight turn at full lock either in reverse or going forwards, it would just “Tik Tik Tik Tik”...I can turn slowly or quickly at full lock left or right and I don’t hear it at all while I’m moving, it’s only as I start moving...

It only seems to happen when I accelerate and turn, and it is by far the most noticeable if I’m accelerating up a hill or a slight slope .

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > BeaterGT 10/06/2020 at 11:18

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I’ve tried walking around the car and pushing down on each corner to see if I could hear anything, but I don’t really hear it when I do that at all.

I don't really notice it over speed bumps either, weirdly, it only seems to happen when I'm turning and accelerating at the same time, especially slightly uphill.